phoebe and holden

What is Phoebe and Holden's relationship like?

I think that Phoebe and Holden have a pretty good relationship. Holden chooses to confide in Phoebe a lot and he thinks about her a lot because he cares for her. We know that he truly cares for her because he spent a lot of money for a record that she loves to give her and he never calls her a Phony. He is always calling the people that he doesn't like phonys. I think Phoebe likes Holden a lot and that is why she is so happy to see him. Also because she Missed him so much.

Phoebe loves him because he is her brother but she is very disappointed in him for getting kicked out of school again. She thinks that he isn't trying at all and just throwing his life away. She asked him if he flunked all of his classes because she knew that once he saw a bit of failure he would give up. I'm pretty sure that that is one of Holden's Main Problems because he is always giving up on things and not really giving things or people a chance. Phoebe wants Holden to try harder because she knows it will make their parents happy. I think that Phoebe is also a little jealous that Holden is always talking about Allie...... Still. When she asked him what one thing was that he liked, he said Allie. She was a little jealous because, I think that, she feels like Holden only cares about Allie and if he would just look and see Phoebe that is right in front of him, he could be happy.

Sally... blah

Holden refers to Sally a lot. He went to a show with her and even, for a split second, considered getting married to her. That is a little bit crazy at his age, if you ask me, but oh well. He calls her when he's drunk and he thinks about her a lot. Even though he got in a huge fight with her on the date, he liked her a lot. It was weird how it started out with her being the most beautiful thing he's ever seen to a Royal pain in the ass.

I was a little disappointed to see that Sally was the first person that Holden actually confided in. I think that that night he was really getting depressed from the altercation with the prostitute and the hotel guy and all, that he needed to tell somebody what he's been keeping inside. She was completely unsupportive. But, for some reason, I can see where she's coming from. To her, things like phonys never crossed her mind. She never had anyone that we know of that she compares everyone in her life to to see if they're a good person. She, unlike Holden, does not have standards set that every new person she meets has to live up to. She doesn't understand why Holden is freaking out about his school and the people there. She never had a real problem with the people in her school so she cant really relate where this is coming from. This is all already a shock to her when Holden suddenly throws getting married out on the table. She is in no position to get married right now and she wants to let Holden know that they have their whole futures together to worry about things like that. Holden disagrees, he thinks that there is no point in school and that there is no reason for going to college just to get the job that pays enough money to buy a car you want. He thinks that there's more to being happy than just having the big house and the shiny new car that you just bought. They have entirely different views on how they want to live their lives... that is why they just don't get along too well.

Who Holden thinks of most

I think that Holden most refers to Allie. With everything he does and every decision he makes, Allie is always in the back of his head. I think that he mainly thinks of everyone as "phonys" because they are not the people like Allie was. He is very close minded though and i cant get the point across enough, that he needs to stop judging people first and just try to get to know them. Then, maybe, he'll see some traits that Allie had (his model for a good person) and know that they are someone that he could eventually be friends with.

He refers to Allie the most because he misses him. He misses him and he regrets things that happened while Allie was alive. He regrets not letting him tag along that day. We know this because he thinks about it all the time. He has dreams about it. He loved Allie and it was truly a life altering moment when he found out that Allie died. He was just so hurt because Allie was so young and he probably felt like he didn't have enough time with him. He was such a good person and how could that happen to such a good person? I think holden wishes it would have happend to a phony and not his brother Allie. That is a bad thought though, but Holden thinks like this all the time. He just needs to get over Allie and remember him for all the good that he did and what a great person that he was and stop morning.

Another thing about Holden and phonies..

When Holden talks to his sister, about all of the phonies at his school, I was really happy to see him finally opening up to someone other than the completely unsupporting character, Sally. Phoebe asks him why he did it, wondering why he didn't try hard and just let himself fail. He replied with, "Oh, God, Phoebe, don't ask me. I'm sick of everybody asking me that. A million reasons why. It was the one of the worst schools I ever went to. It was full of phonies. And mean guys. You never saw so many mean guys in your life. For instance, if you were having a bull session in somebody's room, and somebody wanted to come in, nobody'd let tehm in if they were some dopey, pimply guy. Everybody was always locking their door when somebody wanted to come in. And they had this goddam secret fraternity that I was too yellow not to join. There was this one pimply, boring guy, Robert Ackley, that wanted to get in. He kept trying to join, and they wouldn't let him. Just because he was boring and pimply. I dont't even feel like talking about it. It was a stinking school. Take my word."

First off, I'm pretty sure that Holden felt like talking about his old school if he already spilled that much about it. He was botteling so many things like that up inside that he was truly just dying to tell someone what he thought of all of it. I think that the whole "Phony" thing is about people not acting like who they truly are. People who are just materialistic and only care about whats cool and what other people think of them. I can see why holden says this about these people but if it were me, I probably wouldn't take it so hard. Maybe since he is around it soo much and he just couldn't get away, thats why hes freeking out right now. But i really think that the reason for him exploding with emotion in this point in the book is because he is finally finding people who he can actually confide in. Weather they give him advice or support him or not, he can just let someone know how he feels.